Reply to Wilson

DW has responded to Reformation Bona Fides here. I have been reading his tackling of the atheist questions with interest, and acknowledge that his work there in many ways is more important than his discussions with me. Be that as it may, further clarification will be helpful before we go on to the next chapter.

The first issue is about the law-gospel distinction. He agrees with the three uses of the law (and I rejoice at that), but does not agree that law is one part of Scripture and gospel another. In other words, he would probably say that the three uses of the law do not prohibit the law from being Gospel at the same time. He would probably say that that would be a false dichotomy. He rejects the law/gospel hermeneutic. A couple of follow-up questions are therefore necessary. Firstly, in chapter 19 of the WCF, section 2, the WS define the Ten Commandments as law, not as Gospel, and then it says in section 5 that the Gospel does not dissolve our obligation to the law. Does this not strongly imply that the Ten Commandments are to be thought of as law and not as Gospel? I grant that the preamble of the Ten Commandments is a statement of grace. Indeed, I have never denied that. I further affirm with DW that the preamble is typological of Christ bringing us up out of our bondage to sin and death. However, that does not mean that the Ten Commandments are Gospel. Indeed, I agree with T. David Gordon’s critique of Rich Lusk at this point (pg. 119 of By Faith Alone: “‘the Mosaic Law was simply the Gospel in pre-Christian form.’ This is the kind of overstatement that staggers non-Auburnites (and, one hopes, embarrasses many Auburnites).”) Is Wilson really going to claim that there are no pure law texts in Scripture? In my judgment, the only relation that many texts (such as “Do this and live”) have to the Gospel is that of the first use of the law. I do not believe that such texts are the Gospel. Rather, they point us to our need of the Gospel. Conversely, is Wilson really going to claim that there are no pure Gospel texts in Scripture? Is John 3:16 law? I am rather hard pressed to see law in any way, shape, or form in that statement.  How would the statements about Christ dying for our sins be law? Second question: how would DW interpret WCF 7.5, where the (singular) covenant of grace is differently administered in the time of the law, and in the time of the gospel? Does this not introduce some kind of discontinuity between OT and NT? Would not this discontinuity be uncomfortable for someone like Steve Schlissel, who desires to rip out the page separating the two testaments?  

Secondly, with regard to merit, I would ask Wilson what he thinks of LC 55, which uses the exact phrase he rejects:

Q. How doth Christ make intercession? A. Christ maketh intercession, by his appearing in our nature continually before the Father in heaven, in the merit of his obedience and sacrifice on earth, declaring his will to have it applied to all believers; answering all accusations against them, and procuring for them quiet of conscience, notwithstanding daily failings, access with boldness to the throne of grace, and acceptance of their persons and services. (emphasis added)

Now, of course, this question does not explicitly mention the imputation of such merit. However, there are hints that justification is not far off: the phrases “quiet of conscience” and the “acceptance of their persons” certainly point in the direction of justification, especially since the latter phrase is found in chapter 11.1 of the WCF in the section explicitly dealing with justification.

Now, I rejoice that Wilson is willing to affirm that Christ’s obedience is not only imputed to us who believe, but is the sole ground of our justification. We still seem to differ on the nature of that obedience. However, as this article shows, Wilson is well within the bounds of orthodoxy on this point. Whether he is a good representative of the other FV advocates on this point remains in dispute. Again, we must remember that it is not enough to affirm orthodox theology. One must also deny the errors that attack such truth. This is an equally binding and equally important aspect of orthodoxy. After all, one cannot say that one affirms the Trinity, but then say that it is okay for Jehovah’s Witnesses to deny the Trinity. That would be absurd.  

On the aliveness of faith and its instrumentality, I am convinced that actually, there is no disagreement here between DW and myself. It is interesting to note that Wilson thinks there is and I do not! I am perfectly happy with his way of framing it in his last two paragraphs. One side note should be sufficient to convince Wilson of this. When I said “This is not sound,” I wa not actually positing that Wilson was making faith part of the ground. I was rejecting a hypothetical position. This is clear from the original context of the quotation:

My target here are those people who wish to subtlely introduce another ground for justification. By saying “because of aliveness” one has introduced a ground that is different from Christ’s righteousness. This is not sound.

My only question was for DW to clarify whether faith’s aliveness was introducing it as part of the ground of justification. Since he has denied such a position, I have no quibble at all with his formulations on this point.

All this being said, there are a few questions raised in my post which DW did not answer:

Wilson makes the standard Reformed position that justification and sanctification are distinct but not separated (pp. 45-46). This is right. However, I might ask Wilson to elaborate a bit on this statement: “We can separate faith from other graces and virtues logically and conceptually, via abstraction, but not practically. We may distinguish, but never separate” (pp. 45-46). What does this mean? Is he saying that the only distinction that can be made between faith and virtue, for instance, is an abstract distinction? Is there not also a practical distinction between faith and virtue?

17 Comments

  1. Ben G. said,

    May 9, 2007 at 11:52 am

    It always seems to me that making a strong law/gospel distinction tends to rest on equating “the gospel” with “justification by faith.” But is not the gospel the good news of the coming of the Kingdom, of Jesus’ incarnation, life, suffering, death, resurrection, and ascension?

    Certainly the Law points to our need for justification by faith because of our inability to “do this and live,” but then again the Law represents the whole will of God given concretely to His covenant people – which is in itself a gracious foreshadowing of putting His law in the hearts of the people of the New Covenant, right? Giving the Law seems like a gospel sort of thing to do, in my mind. No longer is God’s will far off, in heaven or across the sea, but it is in His people’s mouths and hearts – that’s referring to the Law itself, isn’t it?

    And then looking at John 3:16 – “…that whoever believes in him should not perish but have everlasting life.” “What must we do, to be doing the works of God?” “The work of God is this, that you believe him whom He has sent.” It’s still a commandment, still just as much death to the one who does not believe as the Law is death to the one who does not keep it.

  2. Todd said,

    May 9, 2007 at 12:04 pm

    Luke 3:7-18 contains a suprising use of the term gospel.

  3. May 9, 2007 at 12:19 pm

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  4. Tim Wilder said,

    May 9, 2007 at 1:02 pm

    “When I said “This is not sound,” I was not actually positing that Wilson was making faith part of the ground.”

    Wouldn’t it be better if we stopped using expressions such as “the ground”? There is formal ground, instrumental ground, etc. and it would be more clear if we expressed ourselves with regard to the particular ground. I noticed that it was a habit of Norman Shepherd, especially, to speak of “the” ground of justification, so as to fudge over distinctions between instrumentality and justification in itself.

    Similarly, when we say what is the ground, it is better to be clear. “The imputation of the righteousness of Christ is the formal ground of justification.” is far more clear than “The righteousness of Christ is the ground of justification.”

  5. Craig Phelps said,

    May 9, 2007 at 1:09 pm

    “What does this mean? Is he saying that the only distinction that can be made between faith and virtue, for instance, is an abstract distinction? Is there not also a practical distinction between faith and virtue?”
    This is the point at which the road forks somewhere in the French Alps. Veer to the north, safe on home, veer to the south and you’re in …

  6. May 9, 2007 at 2:43 pm

    Lane, I’d add that our 3 Forms of Unity are also exceptionally clear on the law/gospel distinction and the merit category (=active obedience). They are worth pressing Wilson over, since he uses the 3FU as one of his church’s confessions.

  7. pduggan said,

    May 9, 2007 at 2:50 pm

    Traditionally, when someone says a passage is “law”, the mean by that that it only condemns for non-performance and troubles the conscience. And when someone says a passage is “gospel” it means that it soothes the conscience by pointing to Christ.

    So If someone says that an imperative given to believer were “Law as opposed to Gospel” thats introducing the hermeneutic where “properly” such things must be heard as condemnatory. Since they aren’t then the statement that they are “Law as opposed to Gospel” is misleading.

    Maybe we need a Law/Gospel/Rule of Life hermeneutic to get out of the arbitrary trap of divvying up things into condemnatory imperatives and soothing indicatives.

    As Wilson says “One of those uses, that of convicting sinners and making them aware of their need for a savior is the use of the word law in the law/gospel distinction.”

    John 3:16 CAN be “law” in that sense, because it includes the flip side of “perishing”. (Who says you can stop at verse 16 anyway, or that the L/G hermeneutic thinks it important to extract human creations like verse out of context and declare one or another is law or gospel?)

  8. pduggan said,

    May 9, 2007 at 2:54 pm

    What, exactly, is the fifth commandment, if it’s the “first commandment with a PROMISE”

    Is a promise law, or gospel? So what’s the fifth?

  9. Tim Wilder said,

    May 9, 2007 at 2:58 pm

    Re: 7

    “Traditionally, when someone says a passage is “law”, the mean by that that it only condemns for non-performance and troubles the conscience. And when someone says a passage is “gospel” it means that it soothes the conscience by pointing to Christ.”

    Is that what the gospel does, soothe the conscience? This is news to me!

  10. pduggan said,

    May 9, 2007 at 3:47 pm

    Sorry, missspoke:

    To “console” the conscience by preaching christ and the forgiveness of sins [anywhere but in a worship service after someone has said they repent :-)]

  11. Xon said,

    May 9, 2007 at 4:44 pm

    What does this mean? Is he saying that the only distinction that can be made between faith and virtue, for instance, is an abstract distinction? Is there not also a practical distinction between faith and virtue?

    There are probably several layers to the onion left to unravel. What exactly do you mean by a “practical” distinction? When I live (imperfectly) a life of love, is this “faith” or “virtue” (taking “virtue” as a synonym of “works”, Aristotle’s objections notwithstanding)? As a doctrinal abstraction, of course I can make the proper (and correct) Reformed distinction and say that my faith “produces” my works of love, but is not identical to those works. Sure. But, as a “practical” matter of how I actually live my life and how I understand the way I am living my life, this distinction is not easy to draw at all. When I do good works, that’s my faith active within me. My faith is the “active principle” that is doing the works. Why do I do the works? It’s my faith. Etc.

  12. Thomas Twitchell said,

    May 9, 2007 at 6:22 pm

    Xon,

    Try making virtue the ground of good works, then virtue becomes the character out of which good works proceed. This is where Johnathan Edwards began. In both his discussions on the virtue of God and of Christ, God’s holiness and therefore Christ’s sinlessness was determinative of the nature of his works.

    When you say “faith” is this same thing, I agree. But, I do not take “faith” in this context then to mean the act of believing. The act of believing itself is a good work and as the confessions state, the implicit faith or act of believing is not what saves. It is rather God, by grace, through faith. And, that faith is not an action but is discriptive of the nature of the regenerate man. If you mean by “faith” actions that you “believe” good, then most of what we do as virtuous works remains a mystery to us. I believe that God has made it this way so that we would not glory in our actions, but rather when we have done all that we should we should consider ourselves unworth servants.

    As to the law, it is written that if anyone should teach that the law has been vacated, they would be better off not born. I cannot imagine that Christ, in his perfection as a law keeper would think that the Gospel suspends the righteous demands of it. Quite to the contrary, he continually emphasizes the keeping of the commandments. The law then is not “soothed” by the Gospel. Paul said, I am not innocent. Paul also said that his conscience was clear. The external keeping of commandments he put second to the internal “clean conscience by the blood of Christ.” The new nature does what it is. Virtue preceeds the actions that flow from it. It is not the actions that produce virtue and they of themselves are not virtuous, the actor is. As Paul said he was convinced that nothing in and of itself is sin. The inverse is also true, no act in and of itself is virtue. The things that Christ did and continues to do are virtuous by his nature. By the imputation of his righteousness, our actions are considered as his.

    I know this does not clearify the nuances of the applications of law. I know very little of this anyway. I am convinced that the law continues as a school teacher perfecting me. How else would I know wrong? Under the law I am punished by the Father who scourges and rebukes every son he is bringing to glory. Without the law we would be but bastards and so we must push forward toward the high mark fixing our eyes on him even though we all stumble in many ways, continuously. Yet, for his glory he has left none of it to our account. It is he works and wills, and lives his life in us, so that there is nothing left in which we can boast. We can only submit ourselves to him as unclean to be cleansed. In the progress of our sanctification, law must be prosecuted so God is true and every man a liar. In my view then law takes form as the “good” discipline of a loving Father for his child. This is the Good News of the Gospel, that our sins are not imputed to us for condemnation but we must bear them for our discipline. But, just as Christ was without sin, yet suffered discipline, we have been counted as righteous and are being perfected in the same way. To this the confessions answer that even though these times of darkness can last long we nevertheless perservere and that through these things we learn not to be slack but are rather motivated by God’s displeasure, to good works.

    tt

  13. Craig Phelps said,

    May 9, 2007 at 7:15 pm

    When the Holy Spirit distinguishes true faith from its lovely child and its working agent, love, does He teach an abstraction? Instead, God gives us the only living breathing word that personally and truly ushers us from death to life by His omnipotence. He thus by this turn of pen and phrase “faith without works” brings us the real experience His eternal unmerited favor towards us.
    Faith alone is faith without obedient qualities. Faith without obedient qualities justifies us in that we sinners thereby apprehend and appropriate to ourselves the righteousness of Another, Our Lord Jesus Christ whose works are imputed and reckoned to us as if we ourselves had in our own persons fulfilled all the works of the law to do them. And this faith that is only faith always and uniquely brings obedient qualities to us who believe on the Lord Jesus Christ. By His gift of faith He works in us the power of His sanctifying grace which inherently conforms us to His law. From what read do these amazing doctrines proceed? The very word of God. Galatians and Romans to all who would scale the foggy mountain paths to immortality. Galatia and Rome, the great places to start and to finish for clear sight of the richly real doctrines of the covenant of grace.

  14. Chris Hutchinson said,

    May 9, 2007 at 9:58 pm

    So when is Wilson going to call Schlissel and Lusk on the carpet for their explicit rejection of the law/gospel distinction? Perhaps he has, and I have just missed it. Nor I am not expecting him to make private conversations public, but this is a non-negotiable element of Reformed theology, cf. Heidelberg Q. 3. Which is why I at least wonder if he really gets the vital importance to Protestant orthodoxy of maintaining a strong law/gospel distinction despite his clarifications.

    FWIW, Chris Hutchinson

    P.S. Horne’s essay above, while providing some interesting commentary on the discontinuity between old and new covenants, utterly misses the point of the whole discussion. Again, Heidelberg 3. Start there.

  15. pduggan said,

    May 10, 2007 at 8:38 am

    Can the law do anything BUT show us our misery? Does Paul use the fifth commandment to show the misery of the kids in the church?

  16. Chris Hutchinson said,

    May 10, 2007 at 12:51 pm

    Of course. There is it’s third use as well, which in Heildelberg’s outline is entitled, “Gratitude,” cf. Q. 2.

  17. Craig Phelps said,

    May 10, 2007 at 1:25 pm

    pduggan, if you are able to recieve the blessing of the fifth commandment by living in it to do it, then you are the only other man besides Jesus Christ to actually do so. If not, then the promise of blessing by your own personal obediently natured faithfulness is beyond your reach you need Another and His obedienctly natured faithfulness to merit the blessing of life for you, in your place, instead of you. Merit? The eternally begotten Son of God in our flesh by the virtue of His Person brings merit to His works of obedience as the Seed of David. Merit? Adam, no. Last Adam, yes. By the Law is the knowledge of sin. By the righteousness of faith without working nature we establish the Law because the righteousness of faith without working nature is actually the righteousness of Another imputed to us and our account of deeds before the throne of the Living God.
    Aha! He denies works and an obedient nature. Yep. As regards our justification, works and a working nature are not even remotely a part of the instrument that unites us to the Lord Our Righteousness. And a thankful Amen for that.


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