Super Excited to See This…

I have been hoping that this commentary would get an update to reflect changing discussion on the NPP (and discussion that now attempt to move beyond that), as well as a maturer mind that now accepts imputation as a vitally important part of justification. That revision will be on the way shortly.


  1. Phil Derksen said,

    August 17, 2018 at 6:50 am

    Just for clarification – are you saying that Schreiner has only recently come to see imputation as “a vitally important part of justification”?

  2. greenbaggins said,

    August 18, 2018 at 7:14 pm

    In my understanding, the commentary did not argue for imputation. I don’t recall whether he outright rejected imputation or not, but he did not argue for it in the first edition of the Roman commentary. Since the first edition, his position has shifted towards quite a robust defense of imputation.

  3. Nathan van Eyk said,

    September 5, 2018 at 5:08 pm

    I believe his position on Romans 7 has changed as well. He now holds to the “Romans 7 is the believer” view, after reading Will Timmins’ “Romans 7 and Christian Identity.” (Will Timmins’ summary:

  4. roberty bob said,

    September 7, 2018 at 8:46 am

    “I believe his position on Romans 7 has changed as well.” — Nathan

    So it appears that this change has led him to a position that is not the one true interpretation of the text, but to another interpretation to which the text of Romans 7 seems allow. I see what Timmins did. It will be convincing to some people, but not to those who can follow Paul’s train of thought.

  5. Jeff Cagle said,

    October 15, 2018 at 7:24 pm

    @ roberty bob:

    I would take the opposite view: He’s moved from a plausible interpretation (Romans 7 is Paul as a pre-Christian; Romans 8 is Paul as a Christian) to one that is more well-grounded: Romans 7.1 – 13 speaks of our changed relationship to the Law, while 7.14 – 25 speaks of Paul’s experience as a Christian in that changed relationship, which is then expanded on in chap 8.


    * The present tense in 7.14-25 makes it unlikely that Paul is speaking of what used to be.

    * v 22 For in my inner being I delight in God’s law could hardly be spoken by someone prior to conversion.

    * v 25 Thanks be to God, who delivers me through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then (Ἄρα οὖν), I myself in my mind am a slave to God’s law, but in my sinful nature a slave to the law of sin.

    The conjunction Ἄρα οὖν shows a logical implication or causal relationship: God has delivered me; therefore I am a slave in the mind to God’s law, but a slave in the sin nature to the law of sin.

    Thus, deliverance precedes the conflict caused by being a slave in the sin nature; this echos Paul’s statement in Galatians: “For the desires of the flesh are against the Spirit, and the desires of the Spirit are against the flesh, for these are opposed to each other, to keep you from doing the things you want to do.”

  6. roberty bob said,

    October 17, 2018 at 6:30 am

    So, then, Jeff Cagle, you are still now a slave to the law of sin? The Apostle Paul tells you, the Christian, that you are no longer a slave to the law of sin and death because Christ has set you free.

  7. roberty bob said,

    October 17, 2018 at 9:49 am

    While it is true that we Christians, like all other sons and daughters of Adam, are sinful by nature, we are no longer in bondage to Sin / Flesh. Christ has set us free from that bondage, so that now we live according to the Spirit instead of the Flesh. We have been rescued from the futility of wanting to please the Lord by obeying his commands, but being unable to do so on account of Sin’s tyranny over us. Now, having been made willing slaves of Righteousness — living now in the Realm of the Spirit, no longer in the Realm of Sin / the Flesh — we are able to please God. That miserable era of wanting to obey, but being unable to do so, is over because of the finished work of Christ.

  8. Jeff Cagle said,

    October 17, 2018 at 7:02 pm

    Fair questions. I think they turn on the question of what counts as “me.” Is my sin nature part of “me”?

    I think we agree that *the sin nature* has not been made unsinful. It was crucified, not reformed.

    So does the liberation from bondage, which we agree on, consist of a removal of the sin nature, or of being set free from slavery to it?

    If the latter, then Paul can simultaneously say

    “I am … a slave in my sin nature to the law of sin” AND
    “You have been set free from sin” (Rom 6.22).

    The first statement is in reference to the sin nature only; the second, in reference to ourselves in relation to that sin nature.

    Paul seems to distance himself a bit from the sin nature as having been crucified and defeated — yet not removed, so that he is not utterly separated from it either.

  9. roberty bob said,

    October 19, 2018 at 10:45 am

    The liberation from bondage of which Paul speaks is the setting free of us [ who trust in, and now serve our Righteous King Jesus ] from the tyrannous rule of King Sin. Due to Christ’s sin-atoning death and life-giving resurrection, King Sin in no longer our master. We do not have to answer anymore to King Sin by producing the deadly fruit of Sin demands of us. Our new master, King Jesus, by His life-giving Spirit put within us, requires us to bring forth the obedient fruit of righteousness.

    Christ has set us free so that we can serve Him instead of Sin. As Paul says in Romans 8:2, “The Law of the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus has set me free from The Law of Sin and Death.”

    If that is so, then the Christian who is inhabited by and empowered by the Spirit of Life in Christ cannot possibly be one who is simultaneously set free from sin AND a slave in his sin nature to the Law of Sin. In no way is the Christian free from Sin while being slave to Sin’s Law. The true Christian, in his Spirit-empowered service to King Jesus, puts to death the deeds of the sinful flesh (Romans 8:13); in so doing, the true Christian LIVES! Such righteous acts show that the true Christian is no longer enslaved to the Law of Sin and Death, but has been delivered from that dreadful enslavement.

  10. roberty bob said,

    October 19, 2018 at 12:25 pm

    The standpoint of Paul in Romans 7, I reckon, is that of the set-free Christian believer reflecting upon the plight of sin-enslaved humanity during the era of the Law. Among the sin-enslaved were God’s own covenant people who were known to have had a love for God’s Law, but learned from their own miserable experience that Sin [whose power exceeded their own willpower] prevented them obeying the Law that they loved. This explains their cry for a Savior, “Who will deliver me from this body of death?”

    The prayer of these enslaved-to-Sin lovers of God’s Law was answered by God sending His Son Jesus. God did for them in Jesus what they, under the Law, could not do for themselves.

    The saved-from-Sin believer in Christ does not pray, “Who will deliver me from this body of death?” God has answered our prayer by giving us Jesus and the Spirit of Life that flows from Him into us.

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