Darryl Hart on “TR’s”

You can read it here. I enjoyed the post.

What especially alarmed me was this exhortation of Ortlund: “The remedy is to take your Reformed theology to a deeper level. Let it reduce you to Jesus only.” Of course, this statement could be taken two ways. Does it mean salvation by Christ alone? Obviously, we would then agree. Or does it mean that we have to reduce everything in our faith down to the lowest common denominator so that we can all get along? Unfortunately, it looks like there is tremendous confusion on these two distinct points in the Christian world out there. Is there not a difference between salvation, which is Christ alone, and all the distinctive things that Reformed people hold? This is where Darryl is right on target. There is nothing in the Bible that we can ignore. Darryl would, I’m sure, agree that some things in the Bible are more important than others. But Darryl’s point is that everything in the Bible is important. Why should people complain, then, when Reformed Christians seek to do everything that the Bible says? Reduction of Reformed Christianity to the lowest common denominator may sound wonderfully ecumenical. But does it remain Reformed after the reduction?

And just because Reformed Christians hold to many distinctive things, and say that the confessions of the Reformed church are what define a person as Reformed, we get attacked for being Judaistic. As Darryl notes, this is a confusion of categories.



  1. Hugh McCann said,

    June 12, 2010 at 1:47 pm

    At least the Rev. Dr. Ortlund confesses:

    “I believe in the sovereignty of God, the Five Points of Calvinism, the Solas of the Reformation, I believe that grace precedes faith in regeneration. Theologically, I am Reformed.”

    Hopefully, these continue to inform his and his congregation’s views on Jesus!

    See my concerns in posts at the site.


  2. David Yoder said,

    June 12, 2010 at 6:55 pm

    “Frozen chosen”, “Ungracious Grace Guys”. Whatever. Not to be ungracious myself but I am so tired of the this caricature. Some of the most loving people I know are reformed, confessional Presbyterians. Yet every month or so I have to read some blog post by some reformed blogger who perpetuates this stereotype in order to make himself look like the voice of reason. Way to throw your own under the bus. The subject is old and tired now. How about we try this exercise: Type in Google “Calvinism is evil” and see how many hits you get compared to “Arminianism is evil”. It is laughable. (For those that a curious it’s 4280 – 6) I don’t think it is the Calvinist that are being ungracious.

  3. David Yoder said,

    June 12, 2010 at 7:05 pm

    I think the Calvinist in the Southern Baptist Convention would howl in laughter when they hear how much more gracious their non-Calvinist brothers have been treating them as of late.

  4. Wayne Sparkman said,

    June 15, 2010 at 9:24 pm

    For those interested in the historical background to this debate, I’ve posted a series of articles and letters from 1977, back when this debate first came into view:


  5. Reformed Sinner said,

    June 23, 2010 at 2:55 pm

    The problem with the “TR” issue is that at the end of the day, while recognizing there are differences, each Reformed community absolutized their own systems of truths and use that as objective absolute standards to hammer over others, that’s why the label TR are constantly thrown around.

    Example: padeo-communion, union with Christ, Covenant of Works vs. Adamic Administration, ordo salutis vs. historia salutis. I can go on but you get the point.

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