As this blog post interchange sadly indicates, some Arminians think that if you hold to Limited Atonement, you are going to hell, and you are badly misleading the people of God. Never mind that one must believe in Jesus Christ: that’s completely peripheral, according to some. Christ becomes decentralized in an all-out effort to bash the Calvinists. Dave Hunt does the same thing, as Dr. White points out so forcefully.



  1. Josh said,

    February 28, 2007 at 3:13 pm

    Yeah, I wished that post wasnt closed. But that commenter is a whack-job.

  2. Susan said,

    February 28, 2007 at 4:13 pm

    Wow. I don’t think the commenter deserved even one response. You were more than civil, Lane.

  3. Josh said,

    February 28, 2007 at 6:07 pm

    He is polite to a fault :-)

  4. greenbaggins said,

    February 28, 2007 at 6:13 pm

    Josh, that’s got to be the first time anyone has ever said that about me! :-O

  5. Specious said,

    February 28, 2007 at 8:35 pm

    Gee, Lane. That whole exchange struck me as sort of ironic. This guy was calling you a heretic because the two of you disagree on the extent of the atonement. Kind of makes you think, huh?

  6. Josh said,

    February 28, 2007 at 8:49 pm

    Lane, I was feeling full of Christian charity! :-)

  7. greenbaggins said,

    March 1, 2007 at 8:23 am

    Specious, what is your name? I do not allow anonymous comments on this blog. If you are going to say something, then please sign your name.

  8. March 5, 2007 at 3:23 am

    Exploring Atonement

    So, over the next [I don’t know how long] I have decided to do a series on Exploring the Atonement.
    Being the seasoned theologian and all (sarcastic), I thought it would be a fantastic topic to get to know better – especially since I’ve hea…

  9. Seth McBee said,

    March 5, 2007 at 6:42 pm

    Lane…I agree with Josh…if you go to this guys site…which I wish I could take my “hit” on his site back, it is not hard to see how far he is off. He starts with, “until I find a good church.” Meaning that he probably believes that he is the only “real” Christian in his area. Sad to say the least…

    You were very kind to him and responded more than I would have

  10. March 10, 2007 at 9:28 pm

    This post is inaccurately titled. I [the commenter of which you spoke] am not an Arminian. On a scale of 1-10, 10 being the most Biblical, Calvinism is about an 8 and Arminianism is about a 2.

  11. greenbaggins said,

    March 11, 2007 at 12:20 pm

    If one does not hold to limited atonement, then one is an Arminian. There is no such thing as a 4-point Calvinist.

  12. March 11, 2007 at 7:30 pm

    Honestly, what are you talking about?

    If this statement is true: “If one does not hold to limited atonement, then one is an Arminian.”

    …then this statement must also be true: “If one does not hold to free will, then one is a Calvinist.”

    Do you know how inane your comment was? I am not an Arminian because I don’t adhere to Jacobus Arminius’s theology. I’m not a Calvinist because I don’t hold to John Calvin’s theology. You’re a labeler, a slanderer (II Timothy 3:3).

  13. greenbaggins said,

    March 12, 2007 at 9:12 am

    Crownrightspatriot, you are not welcome to comment anymore on my blog, if you cannot be civil. It appears that you cannot be civil. Therefore, you are not welcome to comment. Any further comments of yours will be deleted.

  14. Seth McBee said,

    March 12, 2007 at 1:05 pm

    Would you then hold that Bruce Ware is an arminian? He holds to a Christ dying for all but the blood on being efficacious for those who believe…which of course as he would agree, will only be the elect.

    There are differing views on the atonement, from many of our “giants of the faith” as you can see from

    I would be hardpressed to call them Arminian…

    But I do want your thoughts…what do you think?

  15. greenbaggins said,

    March 12, 2007 at 2:58 pm

    Seth, I have not read anything by Bruce Ware, so I don’t think I could give anything like an informed opinion on his stuff. Maybe you could show me some of his writings?

  16. Seth McBee said,

    March 12, 2007 at 3:14 pm

    apart from him…which you can hear that discussion here:

    if someone holds to trying to reconciliate “dying for the world” and “dying only for the elect” and they can’t get past this…which I am not saying I adhere to, you can see that from my writings on my blog, I am a Limited Atonement/Particular redemption guy, but I wouldn’t call those who don’t adhere to it, Arminian per se.

    Have you checked out David Ponter’s quotes from Shedd, Dabney and Calvin on the issue at theologyonline?

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