Further News on the Merger

Tullian notes that the elder boards of both churches (New City Church and Coral Ridge Presbyterian Church) have both agreed (unanimously!) on the merger. We need to be in prayer for both churches as they seek to merge that the Lord will use this for His glory. May the Lord’s purposes be clear at the congregational meeting where the final decision will be made.

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9 Comments

  1. Scott said,

    March 11, 2009 at 7:28 pm

    I can’t help but believe a unanimous vote on the part of both sessions is confirmation of God’s guidance in this matter. Based on our denominational process, I can’t help but believe there has been thorough examination of reformed doctrine, gifts and calling, and an exemplary life pattern and that there is substantial evidence of all.

    While no process is infallible, the maturity being expressed in the Pastor’s writings certainly bespeaks of a biblical attitude and approach.

    While not wanting to jump the gun, I think it’s time to prepare to welcome this dear Pastor, this EPC particular church and her officers, into the PCA!

  2. greenbaggins said,

    March 12, 2009 at 8:44 am

    I am hoping and praying for unity and truth as the congregation meets. Tullian seems to me to be a very godly man who has certainly not been reclusive, but rather regularly updating his blog with news. I am still hoping to work out an interview with him.

  3. Thomas Riley said,

    March 13, 2009 at 12:28 am

    Having read many of the posts on Tullian’s notes, the resounding chest-thumping theme is that God is guiding and blessing this union in order to again bless the world with a Reformed witness in Florida. I can’t help but think of the prophet Micaiah in 2 Chron. 18, who always told Ahab a “bad prophesy.” My sad and nagging problem is the men who illicitly ran RC Sproul, Rick Philips, Cal Beisner, Fowler White, and others out of Knox Seminary, who in a matter of weeks of “research”, believe that they understood Theology better than the Seminary board, are still in leadership at Coral Ridge. Go PCA welcome them into the presbytery! I’m certain God will bless this union, unless failing to inquire is inexcusable. Looking the other way may “work” with men, in the short run, but God hears in the secret meetings, knows the schemes of the heart, and will reveal them both.

  4. Scott said,

    March 13, 2009 at 6:04 am

    I believe sir, this is referring to unanimous votes by both sessions of both churches. There does not appear to be vainglorious pride being exhibited in the Pastor’s writings at all, rather we see genuine humility. It would seem the ninth commandment would require such a good faith presumption in the words and actions of a Christian brother, with good fruit in his life.

    I’m not familiar with the particulars of this situation and do not know any of the people involved (other than having great respect and admiration for what God has done through Dr. Sproul). It seems the session saw itself as having authority over the seminary. It was a big mistake of judgment not to have that clearly delineated from the start. However, it might be reasonable to see how a session thought they had constitutional, bylaw authority in this situation (I’m not saying they did or did not here). I don’t think it is as you say, “understood Theology better.”

    I’m sure your intent is not spread rumor or distrust in statements like this. Session meetings often deal with confidential matters, in fact it’s a character qualification for church office generally. There are two congregations involved here and two sessions. In the end, all will get to have their wills made known by votes. There is no reason to imply such distrust within the household of faith.

    Take a right attitude, and, in good faith, try to get your questions answered, or pray Reverend Keister or someone else can ask good-faith questions that will help us all discern this. That is the biblical way to approach this.

  5. GLW Johnson said,

    March 13, 2009 at 7:30 am

    For some reason I am reminded of the famous comment of Neville Chamberlain, ” There will be peace in our time.”

  6. Stephen Welch said,

    March 13, 2009 at 7:38 am

    Thomas, you are absolutely right. While I have listened to Tullian for years and appreciate much of what he says and commend him for many things, I have the same sad and nagging problem you do. All the men who left Knox (either in protest or forced resignation) including Dr. Cooper, Dr. Milton, and Dr. Sproul are solid leaders and great theologians. I personally sat under these men and can attest that this is what made Knox a strong seminary in its day. Churches and seminaries are only as strong as the leadership. When they fail it is directly related to the lack of leadership. Knox is a perfect example of how poor leadership can ruin a ministry.

  7. Stephen Welch said,

    March 13, 2009 at 7:45 am

    Scott, noone including myself has accused Pastor Tullian of pride and vainglory. Actually to the contrary he has exhibited maturity and humility. Those who know him testify to that humility. The concern that some have is that the congregation will not be given the opportunity to ask questions at the congregational meeting after the candidate preaches. This is the time when their questions should be addressed.

  8. Scott said,

    March 13, 2009 at 11:29 am

    This “Reply” format is new and we are all getting used to it.

    My post was in reply to the first post #3only. It had text format “” for quotations, but somehow that did not make it into the post.

    Blessings.

  9. Thomas Riley said,

    March 13, 2009 at 3:52 pm

    Scott, let me clarify my post. I was only commenting on the posts in Tullian’s notes. Those posts appear to be from CRPC members expressing their excitement and affirmation of God’s blessing. My comment about the “Gage/Knox” controversy is not primarily procedural but theological and ethical. Read Table Talk where RC comments about one of the board members going behind their back to the session. Also, the session DID make a decision that absolutely stated that they understood theology and this particular theological point better than Sproul, White, Philips, Beisner, Reymond and others. My post doesn’t spread rumor it is “gadflying” people to check out what happened at Knox. It appears that very few people cared to investigate this whole affair including CRPC’s presbytery. Many of the above men have stated there was a theological followed by an ethical problem such that they resigned. It barely raised a blip on the screen – Why? What cannot be done is to sweep it away simply as an unfortunate failure to “delineate” who has authority. This was not a power struggle by THESE men. I encourage you to ask more questions even calling the men above directly.


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