Warfield, Part 3

I sincerely apologize to Gary Johnson for not finishing this review earlier. I got a bit side-tracked. For continuity, here is part 1 (covering chapters 1,2,5, and 6), here is part 2 (covering only chapter 3), and here is the book I am reviewing.

I intend to cover chapters 4 and 7 in this part of the review, giving Gary’s article its own post (as it is probably the most controversial).

Raymond Cannata (a PCA pastor in New Orleans as of the time of writing) gives us an account of the problem of why Warfield is so maligned, yet not read (pp. 96-97). I have found this to be true as well. People villify Warfield, and yet haven’t cracked open any of his books, except maybe the Plan of Salvation, for proof-texting (usually inaccurately). Cannata notes sadly that history has in large part vindicated Briggs in that most denominations have followed his lead in trashing Scripture (pg. 95). Cannata notes, however, that the modern challenge has altered a bit. The charge now, coming from folks like Grenz, is that evangelicals have (ab)used Warfield by making inspiration foundational to the Christian faith, and not just essential (pg. 96). It seems to me (and I think that Cannata would agree here) that most people think of Warfield as contributing to the denial of the humanity of Scripture. Cannata proves quite conclusively that Warfield held to the full humanity as well as the full divinity of Scripture (see pp. 98-104).

Noting briefly the key qualifications of the inspiration of the autographs, the importance of textual criticism (“Warfield began his academic career as a textual critic,” pg. 101), the non-dictation theory that Warfield held (the authors were guided by the Holy Spirit through sometimes supernatural and sometimes natural means, although the latter should never be understood as contradicting the divinity of Scripture), Cannata focuses the remainder of his discussion on the necessity of the Spirit’s illumination and the historical basis for Warfield’s understanding of Scripture (pp. 102-106). The former constitutes the point that no one can be convinced of the divine authority of Scripture without the Holy Spirit’s witness in our hearts that it is so. Again, this is evidence that Warfield was no rationalist. One cannot reason one’s way to convincing someone about Scripture without the Holy Spirit’s intervention.

The historical background focuses on the antecedents to Warfield’s view in the early church and in the time of the Reformation. Cannata is here addressing the issue of whether Warfield’s formulations were new or not. Of course, he comes to the conclusion that they are not, and backs this up with many references to primary and secondary sources (see the footnotes on pp. 104-106).

Stephen Nichols gives us (in chapter 7) an overview of the fundamentalist controversy as it affected Warfield and Machen.  He gives us a great encapsulation of the controversy in these words: “Charles Hodge faced merely the incipient birth pangs of what would come to be liberalism, B.B. Warfield battled its developing years, and Machen grappled with it as it quickly matured” (pg. 169). This entailed that most of Warfield’s theologizing would be polemical in nature (pg. 170). In comparing Warfield and Machen, Nichols notes that “Both in content and methodology, Warfield and Machen mirrored each other” (pg. 171).

Both were uncomfortable with many aspects of fundamentalism (such as dispensationalism and millinarianism), though standing with fundamentalists against liberalism in the matter of Scripture (pp. 172-174). One significant difference between Warfield and Machen was their respective stances on evolution, Warfield being much more favorable to the theory (although he certainly did not jettison the Genesis narratives as many did) than Machen was. Although Nichols mentions the fact that Machen was an expert witness at the Scopes Monkey Trial of 1925, Nichols does not draw the conclusion that Machen was influenced by that experience to reject evolutionary theories. I wonder about that connection, and wonder if that wasn’t the reason why Machen differed from his teacher on that score.

Nichols notes (without dissent) Riddlebarger’s assertion that Warfield and Machen differed from the fundamentalists primarily because of the latter’s Arminian and revivalistic tendencies. This is certainly the case. Riddlebarger points to Warfield’s reviews of other fundamentalist theologies in proof of this (see the Lion of Princeton, pp. 210,212, 213-241, quoted by Nichols).

What is especially important for me in this article is Nichol’s careful delineation of Warfield’s view on the interconnectedness of all the theological disciplines (pg. 181). Though Warfield viewed ST as the chief of the theological disciplines, he did not fail to stress the importance of all the others, and how they feed into ST. I will close with this tremendously important quotation:

While it is difficult for contemporary scholars to keep up with each of these fields, there is much to be gained by the mutual interchange between these disciplines, as marked by the work of Warfield and Machen, over and against the entrenchment one sees in the contemporary scene. (pg. 193).

Amen.

25 Comments

  1. greenbaggins said,

    November 8, 2007 at 2:31 pm

    Rey, you’re going to have to do more than assertion to demonstrate your point about the book.

  2. greenbaggins said,

    November 8, 2007 at 5:16 pm

    But you are confusing justification and sanctification, and the beginning of salvation with the continuance of it. Further, you are not making the distinction between believing on Christ and the ability to do so. These are distinctions in Warfield that are essential for understanding his very traditional, utterly non-original contention that man is passive when God saves him.

  3. Robert K. said,

    November 8, 2007 at 7:46 pm

    Rey, does the very next verse have anything to say regarding 1:12?

    John 1:13 – Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

  4. Robert K. said,

    November 8, 2007 at 7:52 pm

    Joh 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

    Joh 6:65 And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.

    Rom 3:10-11 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.

    Warfield knew Scripture doesn’t contradict Scripture, and he knew to understand biblical doctrine you need to whole counsel of God and the analogy of faith.

  5. Robert K. said,

    November 8, 2007 at 10:38 pm

    Accepting the above biblical truth knocks your vanity, worldly pride, and rebellious self-will (your ‘Old Man’) off the internal throne and makes you God-centered rather than man-centered. You accept ‘you’ aren’t in control, and, ironically, this gives you real liberty because it destroys within you the illusion of liberty a fallen human being has when they think they are in control rather than the will of God. You don’t lose your individuality. It’s about recovering the Image of God which is natural to you.

  6. Robert K. said,

    November 8, 2007 at 11:08 pm

    Rey, your response shows the extent our fallen condition will go to bring Scripture down to our demands…

  7. Robert K. said,

    November 8, 2007 at 11:31 pm

    >”Even if you were to still argue that there was an act of God to give men faith, it would follow that whatever that act was, it would not be proper to call it regeneration. That much you must admit.”

    You’re just talking now, Rey. Throwing down rules and conditions that emanate from your need to defend your man-centered demands.

    Effectual calling, regeneration, being born again, it is all the same thing. Left to himself fallen man has no interest in seeking God.

    1Jo 5:4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.

    Joh 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

    Gal 6:15 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.

    Rom 3:11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.

    Eph 2:1 And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;
    Eph 2:2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:
    Eph 2:3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.
    Eph 2:4 But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,
    Eph 2:5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;)

    Jer 13:23 Can the Ethiopian change his skin, or the leopard his spots? then may ye also do good, that are accustomed to do evil.

  8. Robert K. said,

    November 8, 2007 at 11:44 pm

    Reay, re your comment #13 above: you still have not dealt with this:

    Joh 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

    Joh 6:65 And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.

    Rom 3:10-11 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.

    Warfield knew Scripture doesn’t contradict Scripture, and he knew to understand biblical doctrine you need to whole counsel of God and the analogy of faith.

    Then there is this:

    Isa 64:6 But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.

    One of the most difficult things to see in ourselves is our original and active sin. Our fallen condition. Our utter helplessness in the face of our sin and rebellion against God. The Word of God is a (or the) wildcard. It effects, potentially, the effectual call. Once this call is made, an external shock we could not have applied to ourselves, we then are in a position to say “I did it!” or “Thank God, by the grace of God, I’ve been made to see the light.” From that point active, progressive sanctification occurs. That requires cooperation with God on our part. On the foundation of regeneration, which was the work of God alone.

  9. Robert K. said,

    November 9, 2007 at 1:30 am

    The Word of God existed, even in the house I grew up in, and I never once sought after God because of it. I only was made able to turn to God when a Christian rebuked me using biblical language, and a preacher spoke the Word of God and it effectually called me (gave me new birth). It was an external shock that I didn’t give – and couldn’t give – to myself.

    As fertile soil you can be as ready as can be, but if a sower doesn’t sow… You can sow the seed into yourself.

    Thank God He sowed into your heart and you were born again. It’s a work of God’s free grace to an undeserving, dead-in-sin rebel…

  10. Robert K. said,

    November 9, 2007 at 1:32 am

    “You can sow the seed into yourself.” should read you CAN’T sow the seed into yourself, of course.

  11. Robert K. said,

    November 9, 2007 at 1:38 am

    Rey, notice in all the above: I quote Scripture. You explain away Scripture. I simply quote. You spin. This really is the difference between a Calvinist and an Arminian. I stand on what Scripture states. The whole counsel of God, using the analogy of faith. For you, the Arminian, there are statements in Scripture you have to adopt the role of a defense lawyer to explain away so as to salvage what you demand to see God’s truth and plan to be.

  12. Robert K. said,

    November 9, 2007 at 1:50 am

    Rey, you’ve yet to spin these away:

    Eph 2:1 And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;
    Eph 2:2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:
    Eph 2:3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.
    Eph 2:4 But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,
    Eph 2:5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;)

    Jer 13:23 Can the Ethiopian change his skin, or the leopard his spots? then may ye also do good, that are accustomed to do evil.

  13. GLW Johnson said,

    November 9, 2007 at 10:00 am

    rey
    Does faith please God ? According to Heb.11:6 the answer is yes. But the Apostle Paul emphatically declares in Rom.8:7,8 that the ‘natural’ man ( who you call ‘carnal’) CANNOT please God, i.e. they cannot offer up to God anything that pleases Him- esp. saving faith, which can only be done by those who have been made alive ( quickened) by the Holy Spirit. The natural mane is ‘dead’ in his sins. This is Calvinism 101.

  14. Robert K. said,

    November 9, 2007 at 6:56 pm

    >I do not spin Scripture, but you do. John says “But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:”

    A Calvinist engages the whole counsel of God, and uses the analogy of faith. We also are not liberal theologians in that we don’t think Scripture contradicts Scripture. So, take it from there, Rey. You want to quote John in part, we engage the Gospel of John in whole. These verses you ignore and then are forced to spin away when confronted with them:

    Joh 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

    Joh 6:65 And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.

    You are still man-centered and demand to be in control. You’ve yet to see your own condition and state. You’ve yet to have your vanity and pride and self-will broken. Biblical doctrine is not just an intellectual game. It exists to be seen and accepted and thus to effect a real internal reorientation from being man-centered to being God-centered.

  15. GLW Johnson said,

    November 10, 2007 at 7:11 am

    Since you are an Arminian (rey) I doubt that you would accept Augustine’s assessment of the condition of mankind- that after the Fall all of Adam’s descendants are ‘non posse non peccare’- and as such do not possess the ability to please God. This is the apostle Paul point as well in Rom.8:7,8 a text that , contrary to your very strained exegesis, cannot be harmnonized with your semi-pelagian notion of fallen man’s innate ‘freedom’ in sin. Fallen man has no such freedom because their will is not free rather, (to use the title of Luther’s famous book to describe this reality) , it is in bondage to sin, ‘De Servo Arbitrio’. This is exactly Paul point when he declares that the mindset ( PHRONEMA) of the flesh( SARKOS) is enimity against God . This is descriptive of the bent of the human will in opposition to God. The contrast between the ‘flesh’ and the ‘spirit’ in this section makes it aboundantly clear ( as translations like the NIV try to capture it ) that the ‘natural’ or ‘carnal’ man possess no such ability as you ascribe to him.

  16. GLW Johnson said,

    November 10, 2007 at 7:51 am

    p.s. for the sake of throwing gas of the flames, I would add that you might find a halfway house between Calvinism and Arminianism with the Federal Vision folk. You see, they have invented this catagory called ‘Non-Elect Covenant Member’- NEMC for short. This group of people simply submit to baptism (this is something the ‘nature’ man can do) and this introduces them into ‘the covenant’ and as such brings them into ‘union with Christ’ and thus they actually come into the possession of such redemptive blessings as justification, forgiveness of sins, adoption etc. Never mind that, strictly speaking ,the NECM remain throughout this whole possess ‘dead in sin’ and totally lifeless-and the FV are force to come to this conclusion if they wish to still be considered ‘Calvinists’- but they really find themselves on the horns of a delimma at this point because they can’t hold with any consistency to the catagory of NECM having ‘union with Christ’ unless the NECM also undergo ‘regeneration’ and that the forgiveness of sins also includes the forgiveness of original sin as well- but if they follow their own logic here they end up like Arminians do with people actually losing a very real salvation. Anyway, for what it is worth, you could seek shelter in that unstable house until you can find your way over to the Reformed faith as expressed in things like the Westminster Standards and the Three Forms of Unity.

  17. Robert K. said,

    November 10, 2007 at 8:56 pm

    Rey, many times in your posts above you reference people hearing the Word of God and believing. Well…yeah. That’s kind of how the Spirit usually works. He is not constrained to only work that way, but He has tended, by the collective witness of believers, to work via the revealed Word of God. So, it’s not any kind of point against Calvinism or Reformed Theology or against monergistic regeneration to cite examples of people hearing the Word of God and believing.

    One thing about Reformed Theology: you need to study it from the sources, not from what Arminians or others antagonistic towards it have described it as. If you are going to be serious this is what you have to do.

    I would recommend Berkhof’s Manual of Christian Doctrine. Before you think you know what Calvinists believe or where they are wrong, see what Berkhof has to say about it.

    It’s also helpful to approach something like Reformed Theology in something other than ‘teacher mode.’ If you, though, insist on teaching with everything you say and think and write and so on then at least make a little room, a small percentage at least, of your approach devoted to a more passive, humble, learning mode…

  18. Robert K. said,

    November 11, 2007 at 12:43 am

    >”Robert, your first paragraph basically says “We Calvinists are always right even when we’re proven wrong.”

    Well, I don’t detect a lack of assurance on your part regarding how right you are, Rey. It comes down to the authority of Scripture for me, and you’ve presented nothing above that withstands the analogy of faith and engaging and accepting the whole counsel of God. Calvinists really just take biblical doctrine seriously, and once you begin to do that you gravitate towards Calvinism which is merely a nickname for apostolic biblical doctrine, unwatered-down and un-negotiated down to the demands of fallen man. We generally don’t start out as Calvinists. I didn’t.

    >”Robert, your first paragraph basically says “We Calvinists are always right even when we’re proven wrong. We just redefine the Holy Spirit on a moment’s notice,”

    Please tell me how I’ve redefined the Holy Spirit vis-a-vis Calvinism (if that’s what you meant) or any other way.

  19. Robert K. said,

    November 11, 2007 at 12:52 am

    “A people with this sort of attitude will certainly never be anything more than blasphemous against God and will never accept the authority of the Scriptures.”

    These kinds of emotional statements are interesting, Rey, when you step back and consider just who and how many individuals you have labeled as blasphemous. Were the English Puritans blasphemous? The Dutch Calvinists? Scottish Presbyterians? The Pilgrims who came to the New World? Was John Bunyan “blasphemous against God”? Does that mean that all Christians who read and get understanding from his work the Pilgrim’s Progress are learning from a person who was blasphemous against God? I’m particularly fond of the Scottish theologian Thomas Boston. Was he blasphemous against God? Did he deny the authority of Scripture? Is his great work Human Nature in its Fourfold State a blasphemous work that denies the authority of Scripture? Are you really prepared to make this accusation against so many groups and individual believers, many of whom made sacrifices for the faith that you benefit from today?

  20. Robert K. said,

    November 11, 2007 at 12:57 am

    Rey, it’s just occured to me (I don’t know why it didn’t before) that you may be Roman Catholic, in which case your statements (and confusions) are par for the course. If you are, think about exiting that condemned building. Of course I know me saying that will have tremendous on you. Then again, if you’re not Roman Catholic, disregard this comment.

  21. Robert K. said,

    November 11, 2007 at 12:58 am

    That would be “tremendous effect on you…”

  22. GLW Johnson said,

    November 11, 2007 at 6:36 am

    rey
    You are right about not being a semi-pelagian, even the Arminians like Roger Olson would not claim you as a theological colleague- you are in fact a bald Pelagian!

  23. Robert K. said,

    November 11, 2007 at 9:59 pm

    Rey, Rey, Rey… Effectual calling is effected by the Word and the Spirit. Effectual calling and regeneration are nigh the same thing, practically speaking.

    It’s hard to know just what misunderstanding or caricature of Calvinism, or, Reformed Theology, you are laboring under.

    Suffice to say ‘Rey’ has not toppled Geneva. At least not in the above thread…

  24. Robert K. said,

    November 11, 2007 at 10:02 pm

    Yes, I’ve checked, Geneva stands…

  25. GLW Johnson said,

    November 13, 2007 at 7:56 am

    rey
    You have a distorted understanding of not only the defining features of Calvinism but you have an equally garbled understanding of what constitiues a ‘Pelagian’. You really need to brush up on your theological family tree. After all, if you are going to go around talking like a pelagian you really ought to know what Pelagius really was all about. By the way , is your last name Morgan by any chance?


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